1207. This week, we look at the hidden linguistic history of Ontario with Sali Tagliamonte. We look at why euphemisms like "golly" and "gosh" are going the way of the dinosaur, the surprising connection between Northern Ontario and the Southern U.S., and how Canadian words like "gas bar" and "Muskoka chair" finally made it into the Oxford English Dictionary. This episode ran for Grammarpaloozians in February 2026.
1207. This week, we look at the hidden linguistic history of Ontario with Sali Tagliamonte. We look at why euphemisms like "golly" and "gosh" are going the way of the dinosaur, the surprising connection between Northern Ontario and the Southern U.S., and how Canadian words like "gas bar" and "Muskoka chair" finally made it into the Oxford English Dictionary. This episode ran for Grammarpaloozians in February 2026.
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Mignon Fogarty: Grammar Girl here. I talked with linguist Sali Tagliamonte from the University of Toronto back in February for the Grammarpalooza bonus segment, and she took me deep into the hidden world of Ontario dialects, why "golly" and "gosh" are going the way of the dinosaur, and how words like "gas bar" and "Muskoka chair" finally made it into the Oxford English Dictionary. Enjoy!
Greetings, Grammarpaloozians! I am here with Sali Tagliamonte from the University of Toronto, a linguist and self-described language detective.
We just finished the main show where we talked about teen language and her thoughts on how AI might be affecting language. So, if you haven't listened to that already, go back and check that out. But, Sali, welcome to the Grammar Girl podcast.
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, I had so much fun last time. I can't wait to hear what kind of questions you're going to ask me today.
Mignon Fogarty: Well, you know, first I read that you got started by investigating the language of your grandparents' village. Is that right?
Sali Tagliamonte: Boy, you do your research! I used to think Canadian English was the most boring dialect on the planet. But then I went to university, and I was attracted to this course called Dialectology. And the reason was because whenever I went to my grandparents' house, my mother would walk in the door, and then all of a sudden her voice would change; her language would change. She would not sound like my mother anymore.
And on top of that, you know, my grandparents owned a country store and post office. And I would love to go and hang out there because everyone that came into the store or came to get the mail had the most unusual way of speaking. And I was fascinated by why that would be true. Like, why do they say these things?
Mignon Fogarty: Like, what's an example of something they would have said?
Sali Tagliamonte: Oh, expressions like, "First she did..." and "Gâ day!" Everybody's saying, "Gâ day, gâ day!" So it's very weird or you know lots of words that I hadn't heard when I was growing up. My mother was a teacher, so she didn't sound like that when she was talking to her kids. But all of a sudden she'd go into this other way of talking with her sisters and all... "Ooh," you know, it was different. I had not heard it before.
So then when I saw this course, I thought, "Okay, well maybe I'll be able to figure out what's going on." And it was like, "Really? There's a whole science that I can study the way people talk and sound different from one another?" I was hooked. I did my first paper on the âdialectâ of the variety spoken where my grandparents lived. And you know, thirty-five years later or so, I went there, and I did fieldwork and I partnered with an elderly gentleman who had collected materials from the area back in the seventies. It's one of the many communities that are represented in my Ontario Dialects Project today. If you had told me that back when I was a kidâthat I would be studying Ontario dialectsâI would've said, "You've got to be crazy!" I was so happy.
Mignon Fogarty: This project is huge. I mean, you've gathered millions and millions of words of conversation. Talk more about the Ontario Dialect Project in general. What is it and what is it aiming to accomplish?
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, one day in class, I was telling my students a story. The story wasâI can't remember whatâbut the crux of the story that everybody should laugh at was when I said, "So then I got a soaker," and I noticed that no one in the class laughed. Then it occurred to me, "Do they know what a soaker is?" And so I asked, "Does anybody know what a soaker is?" Nobody knew. I was like, "Oh my!"
Mignon Fogarty: What is it?
Sali Tagliamonte: Right in front of my face all along. I was speaking a dialect that they didn't understand. I mean, it wasn't like they couldn't understand what I was saying, but they didn't understand the word. A "soaker," you know, some people think, "Oh yeah, it's like one of those guns you just soak everybody."
Mignon Fogarty: That's what I thought.
Sali Tagliamonte: Other people think it's like a quality of a diaper that a child is wearing. But in my dialect, itâs what happens when you put your feet in the snow, and you get your feet all wet because there's a lot of water in your bootsâor for snow, not waterâand you get a soaker. You get soaked. I mean, in other places in Ontario, it's called a "booter" because they wear more boots there. You know, it really depends.
But the point I'm making is that I suddenly realized that the reason I didn't think that Ontario dialects were interesting was because I was speaking one of them. And as you know, Mignon, if you are speaking a dialect, you have no idea that you have an accent or that you're using words that other people don't understand, unless all of a sudden you realize they don't understand what I'm talking about. At that moment, I decided that I had to go north where I grew up and where I heard all those dialects originally, to where my grandparents' farm and homestead was. And I started going around and doing my oral histories with people.
And that was the beginning. I've just kept going ever since because Ontario is a very large geographic area, and I didn't know whether there would be differences from one place to another because it's sparsely settled and there are like two or three hundred kilometersâoh, there's another word that you might not knowâyou know, 200 miles between places, and nothing in between except bears and forest. And so, do people that are 800 miles away in a small place sound the same as people in Toronto? I needed to find out. And so I gradually, over many years, I just kept going to different places. And so now we have 21 different places.
Mignon Fogarty: Wow.
Sali Tagliamonte: And you know, that's a lot of places, and I can do a lot of interesting work with that, but it's taken 25 years. It's not like I did it overnight. And there are always people in my lab, and they're all busy transcribing these interviews and looking for interesting linguistic phenomena, and we keep finding interesting things. It just keeps coming. Depending on what we hear and see and what we think is interesting, that's what we study.
Mignon Fogarty: What are some of your favorite findings?
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, you know, you were talking about the "golly gosh" and "oh my God" phenomenon. We had so much fun with that. And we recently did a big study on the expressions people useâ"I'm going to go see a man about a dog," and that means, you know, "I'm going to go have a pee in the bush."
Mignon Fogarty: Oh. I didnât know that.
Sali Tagliamonte: And then that's another wordâlike in Northern Ontario and Ontario north of Toronto, if you want to talk about the forest, that's "the bush." And it's not a little bush; it's like the wild expanse of the forest that you're talking about. So, there are lots of things that I've kind of built up from observations from the material and also from my own experience being from the north myself.
So there's an area of the north in Ontario where you have a lot of Francophones, and in some places they represent the vast majority of the population. And so in these places, the Anglophonesâthe people who speak Englishâoften have a distinct French quality to how they speak English. And hereâs an example.
Mignon Fogarty: Give me an example.
Sali Tagliamonte: This is what my... this is my dad, right? "You know that guy Joe Blow? He lives down the street there. In that blue house there. Every once in a while, I go down there and we talk about things there." And I'm like, "That's a lot of 'theres,' Dad! What does that mean?" And of course, there's a phenomenon in French where you put lĂ at the end of sentences. It's a discourse pragmatic marker. It means in English, âthere.â
Mignon Fogarty: Huh.
Sali Tagliamonte: Huh. Right.
Mignon Fogarty: Oh, that's fascinating!
Sali Tagliamonte: I know! And so I thought, "I have to study this." No one has ever studied it before.
Mignon Fogarty: So, when you say, "Look at that man there," it's essentially mimicking the way the French put the lĂ on the end. Oh, I did not... that's amazing. That's very cool.
Sali Tagliamonte: The thing is, it's part of English, right? We often do that. "I know a man there." You know.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah. I'd never think of that as French.
Sali Tagliamonte: But it's the abundance; it's the frequency. It's the constant use of this marker at the end of a sentence and you think, "This is not really English." But it's very characteristic of the way people interact.
And this is a more general thing. When you are in a community and the community has a particular way of saying things and doing things, if you want to sound like you're part of the community, you will appropriate those ways of speaking, and that's how you belong. It's how Canadian hockey players play for hockey teams in the United States, and they lose their Canadian raising, and they lose their features that would identify them as Canadian, and they appropriate the ones that are more American.
Mignon Fogarty: Is "eh"âwhich you mentioned earlierâthe Canadian "eh"âis that really a thing throughout Canada, or is it more of a caricature?
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, it's a caricature, that's true. But depending on where you live, it can be an accurate caricature or an inaccurate caricature. So, if you live in the big cities, no, people don't do it. You know, if you come to Toronto, you probably won't hear it. But if you go about 200 miles north of Torontoâoh yeah. You will hear it a lot. So, it's there. There's a lot of words that have a distinct urban-rural divide, just as there are in the States.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: So, if you're from a rural community, you're going to sound different than if you live, you grew up in New York City, for example.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah. Here's a feature you've worked on that now I'm wondering if maybe it has a French influence too. And it's the word "the." So, I have a friend who, when she tells a story, she will say, "The father did this and the mother did that" instead of "Her mother did this" or "His father did that." It's always "the mother," "the father," and it always stands out to me as odd. And you have researched that. Does that go back to a French influence as well, or is it something else?
Sali Tagliamonte: Mignon, that is such a great idea! I've never spun my study of âthe,â possessive "the" in that way, but I certainly could in those communities that I've talked about that have a very balanced French and English. But what we did with the âtheâ study was to look at the alternation between âwhen do you say 'the cat'" and "when do you say 'my cat'?" Because they can be used, in some cases, very interchangeably.
You know, a situation: you're in the house, the phone rings (it's a landline), and you know, the mother says, "Can you please get the phone?" Right? Or you could say... you know, it's a bad example because I wouldn't say "get my phone." But you couldâyou know, if I leave my cell phone on the table and I'm doing something elsewhere and my kids are at the table, I can say, "Can you pick up my phone?" Or you could say, "Could you please answer the phone?" Right? So, that's what we're looking at. When do people say, you know, "the boyfriend" versus "my boyfriend," or "the husband" versus "my husband"?
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: "I don't like to get home too early when my husband has band practice," you know, because "the husband" is at band practice, or I can say, "I don't like to get home too early on Thursdays because my husband is practicing with his band." So, depending on how we present things, we can sometimes say "the" and sometimes say "my."
Mignon Fogarty: Is there a reason that people...
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, it's interesting because it has to do with communal possession. If something is communally possessed, like a landline phone in a house, it's a communal possession. Anybody can use âthe phone.â But if you are talking about this phoneâŚ
Mignon Fogarty: The cell phone.
Sali Tagliamonte: âŚthen you are not likely to say "the phone." You're likely to say "my phone."
Mignon Fogarty: Interesting.
Sali Tagliamonte: So, it really depends. And if something is more communally owned like you have a family car. "Can I take the car tonight, Dad?" It's the family car. But you could alsoâand Dad says, "Yeah, you can take my car." The father thinks it is owned by him, whereas the kid thinks it's owned by the family.
Mignon Fogarty: Interesting. I wonder if my friend was thinking like "the mother" and "the father" like everyone in the family's mother and father, when she would say, "The father says this..."
Sali Tagliamonte: I think that's probably a calque from French. I think in French you would always say, "la mère" and "le père." But Iâm not sure. Iâm not good enough in French.
Mignon Fogarty: I'm trying to remember. I think my friend did take FrenchâI think French was her foreign language, but I'm not certain. Iâll have to ask her.
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, I think this is a case where you would have to get out your own linguistic antennae and just ask her, see what she says.
Mignon Fogarty: I think I will, actually. I actually want to go back and hear more about your "Gosh and golly" study, because I thought that one was really quite fun, too.
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah. So, in the north, there's a lot of colorful ways of talking about God. So, you know, in Toronto, everybody says, "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God." You know, even my 8-year-old grandson: "Oh my God!" "Oh my God!"
But so, where did that come from, and what was there before? Well, profanity has always been around, so we looked into that. But in the north, you don't necessarily... what are the G-words that people use? So, people know you can say "gosh," you can say "golly"âyou know, there are other words that start with G. They're euphemisms.
Mignon Fogarty: Mm-hmm. âGee willikers.â
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah, exactly. So, profanity was supposed to be bad, right? You're not supposed to take the name of the deity in vain, so it's called vain swearing. So, you can't do that. So you have to find a euphemism, you know.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah, I was surprised. I recently learned that that was considered actually more offensive than other kinds of swearingâyou know, talking about bodies and stuffâthat that was the peak of offensiveness, which I didn't realize.
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah. So you have to be cautious. But the thing is, culture changes so. And it was about World War II that kind of a pivot where people started being able to say the word "Oh, God" rather than "Oh golly."
And so people shifted from the euphemisms into the actual word like "Oh God." Or, you know, instead of saying, "Gosh, I hate it when blah, blah, blah," I'd say, "God, I hate it when..." So, you know, it's a bit of a shift from euphemism to actually using the word that you're not supposed to use. And then what happens is that "Oh my God" takes off. It's kind of bleached of the deity these days.
Mignon Fogarty: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: Certainly, I don't think my grandson means to talk about any deity when he says, "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my god."
Mignon Fogarty: Right.
Sali Tagliamonte: But you know, for some people of certain beliefs and practices, it's quite offensive, so you don't want to use it. But there is an overwhelming upswing in the use of "Oh my God" as an emphatic expression. And nobody says "Golly gee" anymore. Thatâs kind of gone.
Mignon Fogarty: Is it mostly just an age thing now?
Sali Tagliamonte: It is a very strongly correlated age development. Yep. Yeah. Although at this point, pretty much everybody says, "Oh my God."
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah. In those 21 regions that you've looked at, are there "golly" regions and "gosh" regions? Or is it just sort of all everywhere?
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah. The smaller place, the more far it is, the farther it is from Toronto, the more you are likely to hear something like "golly." I mean, it's so exciting for me when I'm out in the street and someone says one of these words, right? Like "chesterfield"âhave you ever heard it in the wild? I have.
Mignon Fogarty: I think I have, a long time ago.
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah. I mean, it's like archaeology in language, right?
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: It's so exciting when you hear a word in the wild being used spontaneously that is probably pretty much dead everywhere else.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: It's like listening to someone and hearing them say "shan't,"
Mignon Fogarty: Right! Yes.
Sali Tagliamonte: Right? Who says that? Nobody. So "chesterfield" has kind of gone the way of the dinosaur. But unless you happen to go to some rural place. Keep your ears open when you stop at a little gas station somewhere off the beaten track, because you don't know what you're going to hear. At least make sure you listen to how the person greets you. How do they greet you?
Mignon Fogarty: What are some greetings you might hear in Northern Canada, Northern Ontario?
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, you're not going to get "Hey," right? You're not going to get that.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: You might get things like "Good day, eh?"
Mignon Fogarty: Fun.
Sali Tagliamonte: Or "Good day." You know?
Mignon Fogarty: "Good day."
Sali Tagliamonte: "Good day."
Mignon Fogarty: So "Chesterfield," I think, leads us into your work with the Oxford English Dictionary, because you were part of a project or an initiative to get more Canadian words into the Oxford English Dictionary. And wasn't "Chesterfield" one of them?
Sali Tagliamonte: No, it was already there.
Mignon Fogarty: No, gosh darn it!
Sali Tagliamonte: But there were some that were not there. And the reason I got into this was I was in Japan one time, and the director of the Oxford English Dictionary was there, and he was giving this talk about all the Japanese words in the Oxford English Dictionary. And I'm like, "Yeah, but how about the Canadian words, please?" Like there were hardly any Canadian words. I can't remember how many there were at the time, but like pittance you know. There were like 5,000âI'm making up these numbers.
Mignon Fogarty: Okay.
Sali Tagliamonte: 5,000 Japanese words in the Oxford English Dictionary, and Canadian words? A hundred. Okay, come on!
Mignon Fogarty: No!
Sali Tagliamonte: Let's get some more Canadian words into the Oxford English Dictionary.
So, I wrote to him and I said, "You know, I saw you give this talk. I think I talked to him when I was there, and I said we really need to have more Canadian words." He said, "Okay, well, you've got to send them to me." So then we started scraping through our material to try to find something that was uniquely Canadian or Ontarian. Well, that's hard because most of the vernacular vocabulary in Ontario is shared byâguess who?âyou guys in the States, right?
Mignon Fogarty: Right.
Sali Tagliamonte: And especially in the South, you get lots of words that are very similar. So, finding words that were unique to Ontario was quite difficult.
But not only did we add new Canadian words to the Oxford English Dictionary, we also had them change words that said "Southern US"
Mignon Fogarty: Mm-hmm.
Sali Tagliamonte: And I kept saying, "Well, you can't just say they're Southern US because they're also Northern Ontario, so there's something wrong there."
Mignon Fogarty: So, I just made a little note to ask you about this.
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah.
Mignon Fogarty: So, why is the Southern US similar to Northern Ontario?
Sali Tagliamonte: That is such a good question, Mignon. It is a great question, and itâs becauseâI'm doing some work right now with the director of the Linguistic Atlas in Lexington, Kentucky. She is the director of the Linguistic Atlas there, and together we're showing that it is a misnomer to say many of these words are âSouthern,â because guess what? They're in Ontario too! So, in actuality, we're looking at longitudinal commonality of the founding populations that went to North America from the UK.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah, so was... is it just that some settlers from the same place in the UKâsome of them ended up in the South and some of them ended up in Northern Ontario?
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah. So the fact that they share vocabulary just goes back to their roots, in fact.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: So, we are actually writing up a paper right now, myself and Allison Burkette, and the title is "Presumed Southern."
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah. But the words that are uniquely Ontario, you probably want to know.
Mignon Fogarty: Yes, I do. Yes.
Sali Tagliamonte: One of them is the "Muskoka chair," which is a similar chair to the Adirondack chair but different in construction, which is typical of certain areas of Northern Ontario. And another one is a "gas bar." Do you know what a gas bar is?
Mignon Fogarty: No.
Sali Tagliamonte: It is a gas station.
Mignon Fogarty: Oh!
Sali Tagliamonte: But it's a gas bar.
Mignon Fogarty: Just drive up and get your car a drink.
Sali Tagliamonte: Something like thatâgive it some gas. But there are places where it says "Gas Bar," and it doesn't mean you can get gas there and a drink; it means that you can get gas there because it's a gas bar.
Mignon Fogarty: Neat. What else?
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, you know, something like "bush" that I thought was so quintessentially Northern Ontario? No, it's also in the South. And "camp"âyou know, in Northern Ontario, a "camp" is the place you go to on the lake in the summer.
Mignon Fogarty: Oh.
Sali Tagliamonte: Yeah.
Mignon Fogarty: What would that beâlike a cottage or a cabin elsewhere?
Sali Tagliamonte: Exactly. Yep. Yeah.
Mignon Fogarty: Fun. And we had "soaker," right?
Sali Tagliamonte: "Soaker." "Side road" I think is another one, just very common words. And that's the thing. Words are so common, right? Like telling the story about the soakerâwords are so common that we do not know that we're using them and other people don't quite know what we mean. And there's nothing more quintessential Canadian than if I go someplace in the US and I say, "Where is the washroom?" and people look at me like I am crazy... âWhat?â And to me, I have to carefully monitor how I'm saying things, because in the US you would say...restroom. Or the bathroom.
Mignon Fogarty: Bathroom. Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: And in England you certainly wouldn't say "washroom" because I'd get an equally weird reaction. You have to say, "Where is the loo?"
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah. I would know what you meant, though, if you said washroom, but I grew up in the Seattle area, so it was close to Canada.
Sali Tagliamonte: So see, you would have more of a predisposition to understanding us weird Canadians.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah.
Sali Tagliamonte: If you're exposed to other people's accents, you tend to have a broader range of lexical items.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah, yeah. We would go to Victoria and Vancouver for vacation and things like that. Beautiful, beautiful places.
Sali Tagliamonte: It's probably what's made you a linguist in your own way.
Mignon Fogarty: Maybe. Maybe. So how many words did you end up submitting or getting into the OED?
Sali Tagliamonte: We submitted a lot. And we had three categories. One: they are in the dictionary, but we have a meaning that is not in the dictionary. We had two; the second criterion was it's in the dictionary, but you are referring to it as "US Southern"âbut hey, it's here in Ontario! And third: it was the rare items that truly were unique to Ontario. And there are not that many because you don't make up a lot of... most of our vocabulary comes from a long time ago, but there are some unique ones, like "Nipigon nylons," for example.
Mignon Fogarty: What are those?
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, there's a place in Northern Ontario called Nipigon. And it's very cold up there, and people wear these special kind of socks that are kind of work socks. They're gray and white, and they have two red bands around the top. Those are Nipigon nylons.
Mignon Fogarty: How fun! Okay! Well, let's get to your book recommendations.
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, it was a hard question for me. You know, I don't read very much. I read for a living, so the last thing I want to do is read when I get finished with work at night. But I came up with three books that I would say were influential for me.
Mignon Fogarty: Yeah, and that's what we're looking forâsomething that you, you know, remember from your childhood or that you would recommend to a friend. Honestly, this is like a gift list that a lot of people use to try to decide what books to buy.
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, my first one I'm going to tell you about was a book that captivated my attention when I was first starting to write. And that book is âJonathan Livingston Seagullâ by Richard Bach. And it's a short little book; you could read it in an hour, I think. And it's just a beautiful allegory that sits with you and kind of gives you a good feeling inside.
Mignon Fogarty: I've heard of it, but I don't know what it's actually about.
Sali Tagliamonte: Well, I recommend it to you for opening up the mind to possibility.
Mignon Fogarty: Okay. Okay. Tempting. What else?
Sali Tagliamonte: Now, my second choice... I did have to think about it a little, and again, it's something that was very impressionable in my youth and continues to be as I learn the craft of short story writing. That is, you've got to read people who write short stories. And for me, the best short storyteller is Alice Munro, winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature (who's been a controversial figure recently). But her books are fabulous. And if you wanted to take a look at those short stories, you can read them in, you know, 15 minutes, 20 minutes. I would suggest âLives of Girls and Women.â
Mignon Fogarty: That's great. I love a book that you can finish quickly. I mean, most of the things people recommend are long, and this is a way to sort of jump in and read something that someone loved that isn't going to take you a week.
Sali Tagliamonte: Exactly! You know, I used to think short stories... I really wanted a big, thick book. But short stories can really go "zingo, zingo." There's something in there that can really make you think.
Mignon Fogarty: Yes. Okay. And what's your third recommendation?
Sali Tagliamonte: Here's my third recommendation. I said I never read, but that was a little bit of a white lie. What I love to read for relaxation are cookbooks.
Mignon Fogarty: Yes!
Sali Tagliamonte: Yes! Right?
Mignon Fogarty: Yes! I love them, too!
Sali Tagliamonte: I don't really like cooking. But Iâm going to tell you that there's nothing like the cookbook called âLove Real Food,â and it's by Kathryne Taylor, who many of your listeners might know as "Cookie and Kate."
Mignon Fogarty: Ah.
Sali Tagliamonte: And she's got a fabulous website. But there's nothing like having her book in your hand, and you just flip through it. And that doesn't require a lot of time either. So, there you go.
Mignon Fogarty: I love that! Thatâs great. I love a great cookbook. Even if you don't cook, or you don't cook a lot of things from the book. I love reading them and imagining that I will.
Sali Tagliamonte: Exactly, and then you have them in your head for when you're in your kitchen and "what am I going to make tonight, or today, or whatever.â
Mignon Fogarty: Thank you so much! Sali, those are great! We appreciate it. Thank you so much for being here! Where can people find you if they want to learn more about your work?
Sali Tagliamonte: You know, I'm easy to find. You just Google my name. Thereâs not that many Sali Tagliamontes around.
Mignon Fogarty: Great. And it's S-A-L-I T-A-G-L-I-A-M-O-N-T-E, Sali Tagliamonte. Thanks again!